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Marquez vs. Casamayor
« on: June 13, 2008 - 03:03PM »

Casamayor-Marquez: Styles, Not Names, Make Fights
By Cliff Rold


They are two of the biggest names in Boxing below Welterweight, accomplished multi-division titlists who have figured prominently in some of the decades best fights.  With bona fides like that, it’s a lock that the pending matter of Joel Casamayor versus Juan Manuel Marquez, scheduled for September 13, would pique the curiosity of any fight fan.  It’s the logical gut reaction, and there’s nothing wrong with going from the gut.

Unless the strong feeling one’s guts are conveying is really just indigestion.

The old adage is oft repeated for good reason: styles make fights…and stylistically, Casamayor-Marquez is sketchy.  Sure, it could turn out to be a great fight, but the history of both men suggests a potential abortion, and on pay-per-view no less.

Let’s put aside the unfortunate turn of events that is keeping the two men with best claim to the World Lightweight championship, nominally lineal and Ring Magazine champ Casamayor (36-3-1, 22 KO) and WBA/IBF/WBO titlist Nate Campbell (32-5-1, 25 KO), away from each other.  Money talked; that’s Boxing for better or worse.

And money, big money, is what Casamayor-Marquez, looks to be all about in a six-degrees, Kevin Bacon way.  No one should expect a huge number from the bout on tap, but just beneath the surface is the hope for the best case scenario.  It plays out beginning in two weeks with Manny Pacquiao moving to 135 lbs. to face the most vulnerable titlist in the division, David Diaz; continues with the now assumed Campbell-Joan Guzman bout in the late summer; and concludes with Casamayor-Marquez.  In a perfect economic world, Pacquiao then moves on to Campbell and Marquez in one order or another for all the belts, all the history, and a share of the proceeds. 

And, yes, the assumption should be that a big pay-per-view on a Mexican holiday in September is a transparent attempt to build towards the most desirable rubber match in the sport, Marquez-Pacquiao III.  Casamayor will of course have something to say about that, but the way he says it, the words that play out from his fists, might be a little mumbled.  After all, the number of thrilling fights he and Marquez (48-4-1, 35 KO), both slick and well schooled boxers, have had with men of their ilk is…

…um…

Of the two, it is Marquez’s examples that are the more glaring.  For all the edge of your seat drama that was to be found in his bouts with Manny Pacquiao, Marquez produced the opposite in bouts with mobile southpaw slicksters Freddie Norwood in 1999 and Derrick Gainer in 2003.  It’s no stretch to say that each bout ranked amongst the most gruelingly dull viewing experiences of the last decade.  Throw in his bout with veteran Victor Polo as well; like Norwood and Gainer, he was a southpaw and the fight was tedious at best.

His controversial bout with the orthodox boxer-puncher Chris John was better, but spotty with minor explosions surrounded by a lot of ‘wait for it.’  As masterful a boxer as he’s been, Marquez is at his best against men who pressure him and often forgettable in bouts where foes were willing to stay on the outside.

It’s been proven that Casamayor is willing to win ugly.  In recent fare, his third fight with the late Diego Corrales was bad; the shoulda’ been loss to Jose Armando Santa Cruz last year was worse.  Unless he’s looking to impose his greater size and speed on Marquez early by engaging, the 36-year old Casamayor’s best shot at victory will be to force Marquez to give chase, something the 34-year old Marquez does neither well or entertainingly. 

This isn’t the first time two fighters who seemed this stylistically unsuited for a ‘money’s worth’ show have been matched recently.  Rocket science was needed to figure out that 2007’s Bernard Hopkins-Winky Wright fight could devolve into ‘at least the undercard was fun’ conversations while the main event played out.  Add to it that this is yet another bout featuring the middle-aged and the phrase blood from a turnip comes to mind. 

When people pay to see fights, that’s what they want.  The presence of two big names in the main event often gets confused with a guarantee of that, and Casamayor-Marquez can not provide that label.  It instead might be better advertised with buyer beware.  While unsavory in the wake of his loss to Campbell, the originally proposed shot for Juan Diaz against Casamayor was a superior aesthetic choice to what it looks like we’re getting. 

It bears noting that this is not a knock on either man.  One day, each will have a case for the Hall of Fame.  But, and it’s a big but, styles really do make fights and the evidence suggest that these styles won’t.  Like most fans, I’ll tune in hoping for the best, hoping that my gut is all wrong here, but at least no one can say they haven’t been warned.

 
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Re: Marquez vs. Casamayor
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2008 - 03:34PM »

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Re: Marquez vs. Casamayor
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2008 - 03:50PM »

Quote from: Chups on June 13, 2008 - 03:03PM
Casamayor-Marquez: Styles, Not Names, Make Fights
By Cliff Rold


They are two of the biggest names in Boxing below Welterweight, accomplished multi-division titlists who have figured prominently in some of the decades best fights.  With bona fides like that, it’s a lock that the pending matter of Joel Casamayor versus Juan Manuel Marquez, scheduled for September 13, would pique the curiosity of any fight fan.  It’s the logical gut reaction, and there’s nothing wrong with going from the gut.

Unless the strong feeling one’s guts are conveying is really just indigestion.

The old adage is oft repeated for good reason: styles make fights…and stylistically, Casamayor-Marquez is sketchy.  Sure, it could turn out to be a great fight, but the history of both men suggests a potential abortion, and on pay-per-view no less.

Let’s put aside the unfortunate turn of events that is keeping the two men with best claim to the World Lightweight championship, nominally lineal and Ring Magazine champ Casamayor (36-3-1, 22 KO) and WBA/IBF/WBO titlist Nate Campbell (32-5-1, 25 KO), away from each other.  Money talked; that’s Boxing for better or worse.

And money, big money, is what Casamayor-Marquez, looks to be all about in a six-degrees, Kevin Bacon way.  No one should expect a huge number from the bout on tap, but just beneath the surface is the hope for the best case scenario.  It plays out beginning in two weeks with Manny Pacquiao moving to 135 lbs. to face the most vulnerable titlist in the division, David Diaz; continues with the now assumed Campbell-Joan Guzman bout in the late summer; and concludes with Casamayor-Marquez.  In a perfect economic world, Pacquiao then moves on to Campbell and Marquez in one order or another for all the belts, all the history, and a share of the proceeds. 

And, yes, the assumption should be that a big pay-per-view on a Mexican holiday in September is a transparent attempt to build towards the most desirable rubber match in the sport, Marquez-Pacquiao III.  Casamayor will of course have something to say about that, but the way he says it, the words that play out from his fists, might be a little mumbled.  After all, the number of thrilling fights he and Marquez (48-4-1, 35 KO), both slick and well schooled boxers, have had with men of their ilk is…

…um…

Of the two, it is Marquez’s examples that are the more glaring.  For all the edge of your seat drama that was to be found in his bouts with Manny Pacquiao, Marquez produced the opposite in bouts with mobile southpaw slicksters Freddie Norwood in 1999 and Derrick Gainer in 2003.  It’s no stretch to say that each bout ranked amongst the most gruelingly dull viewing experiences of the last decade.  Throw in his bout with veteran Victor Polo as well; like Norwood and Gainer, he was a southpaw and the fight was tedious at best.

His controversial bout with the orthodox boxer-puncher Chris John was better, but spotty with minor explosions surrounded by a lot of ‘wait for it.’  As masterful a boxer as he’s been, Marquez is at his best against men who pressure him and often forgettable in bouts where foes were willing to stay on the outside.

It’s been proven that Casamayor is willing to win ugly.  In recent fare, his third fight with the late Diego Corrales was bad; the shoulda’ been loss to Jose Armando Santa Cruz last year was worse.  Unless he’s looking to impose his greater size and speed on Marquez early by engaging, the 36-year old Casamayor’s best shot at victory will be to force Marquez to give chase, something the 34-year old Marquez does neither well or entertainingly. 

This isn’t the first time two fighters who seemed this stylistically unsuited for a ‘money’s worth’ show have been matched recently.  Rocket science was needed to figure out that 2007’s Bernard Hopkins-Winky Wright fight could devolve into ‘at least the undercard was fun’ conversations while the main event played out.  Add to it that this is yet another bout featuring the middle-aged and the phrase blood from a turnip comes to mind. 

When people pay to see fights, that’s what they want.  The presence of two big names in the main event often gets confused with a guarantee of that, and Casamayor-Marquez can not provide that label.  It instead might be better advertised with buyer beware.  While unsavory in the wake of his loss to Campbell, the originally proposed shot for Juan Diaz against Casamayor was a superior aesthetic choice to what it looks like we’re getting. 

It bears noting that this is not a knock on either man.  One day, each will have a case for the Hall of Fame.  But, and it’s a big but, styles really do make fights and the evidence suggest that these styles won’t.  Like most fans, I’ll tune in hoping for the best, hoping that my gut is all wrong here, but at least no one can say they haven’t been warned.

 

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Re: Marquez vs. Casamayor
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2008 - 02:13AM »

Quote from: Chups on June 13, 2008 - 03:03PM
Casamayor-Marquez: Styles, Not Names, Make Fights
By Cliff Rold


They are two of the biggest names in Boxing below Welterweight, accomplished multi-division titlists who have figured prominently in some of the decades best fights.  With bona fides like that, it’s a lock that the pending matter of Joel Casamayor versus Juan Manuel Marquez, scheduled for September 13, would pique the curiosity of any fight fan.  It’s the logical gut reaction, and there’s nothing wrong with going from the gut.

Unless the strong feeling one’s guts are conveying is really just indigestion.

The old adage is oft repeated for good reason: styles make fights…and stylistically, Casamayor-Marquez is sketchy.  Sure, it could turn out to be a great fight, but the history of both men suggests a potential abortion, and on pay-per-view no less.

Let’s put aside the unfortunate turn of events that is keeping the two men with best claim to the World Lightweight championship, nominally lineal and Ring Magazine champ Casamayor (36-3-1, 22 KO) and WBA/IBF/WBO titlist Nate Campbell (32-5-1, 25 KO), away from each other.  Money talked; that’s Boxing for better or worse.

And money, big money, is what Casamayor-Marquez, looks to be all about in a six-degrees, Kevin Bacon way.  No one should expect a huge number from the bout on tap, but just beneath the surface is the hope for the best case scenario.  It plays out beginning in two weeks with Manny Pacquiao moving to 135 lbs. to face the most vulnerable titlist in the division, David Diaz; continues with the now assumed Campbell-Joan Guzman bout in the late summer; and concludes with Casamayor-Marquez.  In a perfect economic world, Pacquiao then moves on to Campbell and Marquez in one order or another for all the belts, all the history, and a share of the proceeds. 

And, yes, the assumption should be that a big pay-per-view on a Mexican holiday in September is a transparent attempt to build towards the most desirable rubber match in the sport, Marquez-Pacquiao III.  Casamayor will of course have something to say about that, but the way he says it, the words that play out from his fists, might be a little mumbled.  After all, the number of thrilling fights he and Marquez (48-4-1, 35 KO), both slick and well schooled boxers, have had with men of their ilk is…

…um…

Of the two, it is Marquez’s examples that are the more glaring.  For all the edge of your seat drama that was to be found in his bouts with Manny Pacquiao, Marquez produced the opposite in bouts with mobile southpaw slicksters Freddie Norwood in 1999 and Derrick Gainer in 2003.  It’s no stretch to say that each bout ranked amongst the most gruelingly dull viewing experiences of the last decade.  Throw in his bout with veteran Victor Polo as well; like Norwood and Gainer, he was a southpaw and the fight was tedious at best.

His controversial bout with the orthodox boxer-puncher Chris John was better, but spotty with minor explosions surrounded by a lot of ‘wait for it.’  As masterful a boxer as he’s been, Marquez is at his best against men who pressure him and often forgettable in bouts where foes were willing to stay on the outside.

It’s been proven that Casamayor is willing to win ugly.  In recent fare, his third fight with the late Diego Corrales was bad; the shoulda’ been loss to Jose Armando Santa Cruz last year was worse.  Unless he’s looking to impose his greater size and speed on Marquez early by engaging, the 36-year old Casamayor’s best shot at victory will be to force Marquez to give chase, something the 34-year old Marquez does neither well or entertainingly. 

This isn’t the first time two fighters who seemed this stylistically unsuited for a ‘money’s worth’ show have been matched recently.  Rocket science was needed to figure out that 2007’s Bernard Hopkins-Winky Wright fight could devolve into ‘at least the undercard was fun’ conversations while the main event played out.  Add to it that this is yet another bout featuring the middle-aged and the phrase blood from a turnip comes to mind. 

When people pay to see fights, that’s what they want.  The presence of two big names in the main event often gets confused with a guarantee of that, and Casamayor-Marquez can not provide that label.  It instead might be better advertised with buyer beware.  While unsavory in the wake of his loss to Campbell, the originally proposed shot for Juan Diaz against Casamayor was a superior aesthetic choice to what it looks like we’re getting. 

It bears noting that this is not a knock on either man.  One day, each will have a case for the Hall of Fame.  But, and it’s a big but, styles really do make fights and the evidence suggest that these styles won’t.  Like most fans, I’ll tune in hoping for the best, hoping that my gut is all wrong here, but at least no one can say they haven’t been warned.

 



it could be a boring fight.i think jmm will win.
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Re: Marquez vs. Casamayor
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2008 - 02:40AM »

Quote from: Chups on June 13, 2008 - 03:03PM
Casamayor-Marquez: Styles, Not Names, Make Fights
By Cliff Rold


They are two of the biggest names in Boxing below Welterweight, accomplished multi-division titlists who have figured prominently in some of the decades best fights.  With bona fides like that, it’s a lock that the pending matter of Joel Casamayor versus Juan Manuel Marquez, scheduled for September 13, would pique the curiosity of any fight fan.  It’s the logical gut reaction, and there’s nothing wrong with going from the gut.

Unless the strong feeling one’s guts are conveying is really just indigestion.

The old adage is oft repeated for good reason: styles make fights…and stylistically, Casamayor-Marquez is sketchy.  Sure, it could turn out to be a great fight, but the history of both men suggests a potential abortion, and on pay-per-view no less.

Let’s put aside the unfortunate turn of events that is keeping the two men with best claim to the World Lightweight championship, nominally lineal and Ring Magazine champ Casamayor (36-3-1, 22 KO) and WBA/IBF/WBO titlist Nate Campbell (32-5-1, 25 KO), away from each other.  Money talked; that’s Boxing for better or worse.

And money, big money, is what Casamayor-Marquez, looks to be all about in a six-degrees, Kevin Bacon way.  No one should expect a huge number from the bout on tap, but just beneath the surface is the hope for the best case scenario.  It plays out beginning in two weeks with Manny Pacquiao moving to 135 lbs. to face the most vulnerable titlist in the division, David Diaz; continues with the now assumed Campbell-Joan Guzman bout in the late summer; and concludes with Casamayor-Marquez.  In a perfect economic world, Pacquiao then moves on to Campbell and Marquez in one order or another for all the belts, all the history, and a share of the proceeds. 

And, yes, the assumption should be that a big pay-per-view on a Mexican holiday in September is a transparent attempt to build towards the most desirable rubber match in the sport, Marquez-Pacquiao III.  Casamayor will of course have something to say about that, but the way he says it, the words that play out from his fists, might be a little mumbled.  After all, the number of thrilling fights he and Marquez (48-4-1, 35 KO), both slick and well schooled boxers, have had with men of their ilk is…

…um…

Of the two, it is Marquez’s examples that are the more glaring.  For all the edge of your seat drama that was to be found in his bouts with Manny Pacquiao, Marquez produced the opposite in bouts with mobile southpaw slicksters Freddie Norwood in 1999 and Derrick Gainer in 2003.  It’s no stretch to say that each bout ranked amongst the most gruelingly dull viewing experiences of the last decade.  Throw in his bout with veteran Victor Polo as well; like Norwood and Gainer, he was a southpaw and the fight was tedious at best.

His controversial bout with the orthodox boxer-puncher Chris John was better, but spotty with minor explosions surrounded by a lot of ‘wait for it.’  As masterful a boxer as he’s been, Marquez is at his best against men who pressure him and often forgettable in bouts where foes were willing to stay on the outside.

It’s been proven that Casamayor is willing to win ugly.  In recent fare, his third fight with the late Diego Corrales was bad; the shoulda’ been loss to Jose Armando Santa Cruz last year was worse.  Unless he’s looking to impose his greater size and speed on Marquez early by engaging, the 36-year old Casamayor’s best shot at victory will be to force Marquez to give chase, something the 34-year old Marquez does neither well or entertainingly. 

This isn’t the first time two fighters who seemed this stylistically unsuited for a ‘money’s worth’ show have been matched recently.  Rocket science was needed to figure out that 2007’s Bernard Hopkins-Winky Wright fight could devolve into ‘at least the undercard was fun’ conversations while the main event played out.  Add to it that this is yet another bout featuring the middle-aged and the phrase blood from a turnip comes to mind. 

When people pay to see fights, that’s what they want.  The presence of two big names in the main event often gets confused with a guarantee of that, and Casamayor-Marquez can not provide that label.  It instead might be better advertised with buyer beware.  While unsavory in the wake of his loss to Campbell, the originally proposed shot for Juan Diaz against Casamayor was a superior aesthetic choice to what it looks like we’re getting. 

It bears noting that this is not a knock on either man.  One day, each will have a case for the Hall of Fame.  But, and it’s a big but, styles really do make fights and the evidence suggest that these styles won’t.  Like most fans, I’ll tune in hoping for the best, hoping that my gut is all wrong here, but at least no one can say they haven’t been warned.

 


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Re: Marquez vs. Casamayor
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2008 - 03:08AM »

Quote from: Chups on June 13, 2008 - 03:03PM
Casamayor-Marquez: Styles, Not Names, Make Fights
By Cliff Rold


They are two of the biggest names in Boxing below Welterweight, accomplished multi-division titlists who have figured prominently in some of the decades best fights.  With bona fides like that, it’s a lock that the pending matter of Joel Casamayor versus Juan Manuel Marquez, scheduled for September 13, would pique the curiosity of any fight fan.  It’s the logical gut reaction, and there’s nothing wrong with going from the gut.

Unless the strong feeling one’s guts are conveying is really just indigestion.

The old adage is oft repeated for good reason: styles make fights…and stylistically, Casamayor-Marquez is sketchy.  Sure, it could turn out to be a great fight, but the history of both men suggests a potential abortion, and on pay-per-view no less.

Let’s put aside the unfortunate turn of events that is keeping the two men with best claim to the World Lightweight championship, nominally lineal and Ring Magazine champ Casamayor (36-3-1, 22 KO) and WBA/IBF/WBO titlist Nate Campbell (32-5-1, 25 KO), away from each other.  Money talked; that’s Boxing for better or worse.

And money, big money, is what Casamayor-Marquez, looks to be all about in a six-degrees, Kevin Bacon way.  No one should expect a huge number from the bout on tap, but just beneath the surface is the hope for the best case scenario.  It plays out beginning in two weeks with Manny Pacquiao moving to 135 lbs. to face the most vulnerable titlist in the division, David Diaz; continues with the now assumed Campbell-Joan Guzman bout in the late summer; and concludes with Casamayor-Marquez.  In a perfect economic world, Pacquiao then moves on to Campbell and Marquez in one order or another for all the belts, all the history, and a share of the proceeds. 

And, yes, the assumption should be that a big pay-per-view on a Mexican holiday in September is a transparent attempt to build towards the most desirable rubber match in the sport, Marquez-Pacquiao III.  Casamayor will of course have something to say about that, but the way he says it, the words that play out from his fists, might be a little mumbled.  After all, the number of thrilling fights he and Marquez (48-4-1, 35 KO), both slick and well schooled boxers, have had with men of their ilk is…

…um…

Of the two, it is Marquez’s examples that are the more glaring.  For all the edge of your seat drama that was to be found in his bouts with Manny Pacquiao, Marquez produced the opposite in bouts with mobile southpaw slicksters Freddie Norwood in 1999 and Derrick Gainer in 2003.  It’s no stretch to say that each bout ranked amongst the most gruelingly dull viewing experiences of the last decade.  Throw in his bout with veteran Victor Polo as well; like Norwood and Gainer, he was a southpaw and the fight was tedious at best.

His controversial bout with the orthodox boxer-puncher Chris John was better, but spotty with minor explosions surrounded by a lot of ‘wait for it.’  As masterful a boxer as he’s been, Marquez is at his best against men who pressure him and often forgettable in bouts where foes were willing to stay on the outside.

It’s been proven that Casamayor is willing to win ugly.  In recent fare, his third fight with the late Diego Corrales was bad; the shoulda’ been loss to Jose Armando Santa Cruz last year was worse.  Unless he’s looking to impose his greater size and speed on Marquez early by engaging, the 36-year old Casamayor’s best shot at victory will be to force Marquez to give chase, something the 34-year old Marquez does neither well or entertainingly. 

This isn’t the first time two fighters who seemed this stylistically unsuited for a ‘money’s worth’ show have been matched recently.  Rocket science was needed to figure out that 2007’s Bernard Hopkins-Winky Wright fight could devolve into ‘at least the undercard was fun’ conversations while the main event played out.  Add to it that this is yet another bout featuring the middle-aged and the phrase blood from a turnip comes to mind. 

When people pay to see fights, that’s what they want.  The presence of two big names in the main event often gets confused with a guarantee of that, and Casamayor-Marquez can not provide that label.  It instead might be better advertised with buyer beware.  While unsavory in the wake of his loss to Campbell, the originally proposed shot for Juan Diaz against Casamayor was a superior aesthetic choice to what it looks like we’re getting. 

It bears noting that this is not a knock on either man.  One day, each will have a case for the Hall of Fame.  But, and it’s a big but, styles really do make fights and the evidence suggest that these styles won’t.  Like most fans, I’ll tune in hoping for the best, hoping that my gut is all wrong here, but at least no one can say they haven’t been warned.

 


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Re: Marquez vs. Casamayor
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2008 - 05:35AM »

Quote from: Chups on June 13, 2008 - 03:03PM
Casamayor-Marquez: Styles, Not Names, Make Fights
By Cliff Rold


They are two of the biggest names in Boxing below Welterweight, accomplished multi-division titlists who have figured prominently in some of the decades best fights.  With bona fides like that, it’s a lock that the pending matter of Joel Casamayor versus Juan Manuel Marquez, scheduled for September 13, would pique the curiosity of any fight fan.  It’s the logical gut reaction, and there’s nothing wrong with going from the gut.

Unless the strong feeling one’s guts are conveying is really just indigestion.

The old adage is oft repeated for good reason: styles make fights…and stylistically, Casamayor-Marquez is sketchy.  Sure, it could turn out to be a great fight, but the history of both men suggests a potential abortion, and on pay-per-view no less.

Let’s put aside the unfortunate turn of events that is keeping the two men with best claim to the World Lightweight championship, nominally lineal and Ring Magazine champ Casamayor (36-3-1, 22 KO) and WBA/IBF/WBO titlist Nate Campbell (32-5-1, 25 KO), away from each other.  Money talked; that’s Boxing for better or worse.

And money, big money, is what Casamayor-Marquez, looks to be all about in a six-degrees, Kevin Bacon way.  No one should expect a huge number from the bout on tap, but just beneath the surface is the hope for the best case scenario.  It plays out beginning in two weeks with Manny Pacquiao moving to 135 lbs. to face the most vulnerable titlist in the division, David Diaz; continues with the now assumed Campbell-Joan Guzman bout in the late summer; and concludes with Casamayor-Marquez.  In a perfect economic world, Pacquiao then moves on to Campbell and Marquez in one order or another for all the belts, all the history, and a share of the proceeds. 

And, yes, the assumption should be that a big pay-per-view on a Mexican holiday in September is a transparent attempt to build towards the most desirable rubber match in the sport, Marquez-Pacquiao III.  Casamayor will of course have something to say about that, but the way he says it, the words that play out from his fists, might be a little mumbled.  After all, the number of thrilling fights he and Marquez (48-4-1, 35 KO), both slick and well schooled boxers, have had with men of their ilk is…

…um…

Of the two, it is Marquez’s examples that are the more glaring.  For all the edge of your seat drama that was to be found in his bouts with Manny Pacquiao, Marquez produced the opposite in bouts with mobile southpaw slicksters Freddie Norwood in 1999 and Derrick Gainer in 2003.  It’s no stretch to say that each bout ranked amongst the most gruelingly dull viewing experiences of the last decade.  Throw in his bout with veteran Victor Polo as well; like Norwood and Gainer, he was a southpaw and the fight was tedious at best.

His controversial bout with the orthodox boxer-puncher Chris John was better, but spotty with minor explosions surrounded by a lot of ‘wait for it.’  As masterful a boxer as he’s been, Marquez is at his best against men who pressure him and often forgettable in bouts where foes were willing to stay on the outside.

It’s been proven that Casamayor is willing to win ugly.  In recent fare, his third fight with the late Diego Corrales was bad; the shoulda’ been loss to Jose Armando Santa Cruz last year was worse.  Unless he’s looking to impose his greater size and speed on Marquez early by engaging, the 36-year old Casamayor’s best shot at victory will be to force Marquez to give chase, something the 34-year old Marquez does neither well or entertainingly. 

This isn’t the first time two fighters who seemed this stylistically unsuited for a ‘money’s worth’ show have been matched recently.  Rocket science was needed to figure out that 2007’s Bernard Hopkins-Winky Wright fight could devolve into ‘at least the undercard was fun’ conversations while the main event played out.  Add to it that this is yet another bout featuring the middle-aged and the phrase blood from a turnip comes to mind. 

When people pay to see fights, that’s what they want.  The presence of two big names in the main event often gets confused with a guarantee of that, and Casamayor-Marquez can not provide that label.  It instead might be better advertised with buyer beware.  While unsavory in the wake of his loss to Campbell, the originally proposed shot for Juan Diaz against Casamayor was a superior aesthetic choice to what it looks like we’re getting. 

It bears noting that this is not a knock on either man.  One day, each will have a case for the Hall of Fame.  But, and it’s a big but, styles really do make fights and the evidence suggest that these styles won’t.  Like most fans, I’ll tune in hoping for the best, hoping that my gut is all wrong here, but at least no one can say they haven’t been warned.

 


JMM will win this one. approve
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Re: Marquez vs. Casamayor
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2008 - 05:30PM »

He better win it.....it may be ugly but I think the pressure is on Casa to make the fight after knocking out Kat. WOuld be nice to see both JMM and PAC have belts and go at it a third time. I just hope JMM is able to put on the right weight.
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Re: Marquez vs. Casamayor
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2008 - 05:47PM »

JMM will lose and fight bums for the next 4 years. Then call it a career. Grin
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Re: Marquez vs. Casamayor
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2008 - 06:20PM »


JMM KO's  Lolo Casa.  approve
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Re: Marquez vs. Casamayor
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2008 - 08:34PM »


what happend to casamayor-campbell ?
this will be a better fight and its to hard to pick a winner.
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Re: Marquez vs. Casamayor
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2008 - 03:26PM »

casamayor by decision.
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Re: Marquez vs. Casamayor
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2008 - 03:40PM »

Quote from: undisputed on June 14, 2008 - 08:34PM
what happend to casamayor-campbell ?

Some twat should awnser my fucking question  Angry
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Re: Marquez vs. Casamayor
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2008 - 01:04AM »

Quote from: undisputed on June 20, 2008 - 03:40PM
Some twat should awnser my fucking question  Angry

money!!!! cassamayor would have only made 500k fighting campbell whereas marquez would give him around 1 million
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Re: Marquez vs. Casamayor
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2008 - 01:19AM »

Quote from: goodson on June 21, 2008 - 01:04AM
money!!!! cassamayor would have only made 500k fighting campbell whereas marquez would give him around 1 million

right  approve
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