SCIENTIFIC STUDY AND FINDING FOR THE PAC vs JMM FIGHT

[bisDakilang "Datu Lapu-lapu"]

Somebody from mannypacquiao.ph posted this post that he found at another forum. I'm not a scientist, but I still found it to be very interesting since the guy had facts and figures. I'm still trying to find out who this guy is and from what forum he posted it in originally. Here it is:


This is hopefully the first of many posts on my part in this or any other forum. I enjoy reading posts from the various threads but my involvement has been up to now, limited to lurking. This thread however has pushed me to actually register in order to post pertinent info about this upcoming fight that may interest some of you.
I have been a fan of boxing for many years, in fact, it is the only sport out there that I truly take the time to follow and watch. I watched the MAB-Pacman fight last year with great interest as I have been a big fan of MAB throughout his career, and was befuddled at what Pac was able to do him. My first instincts were, maybe he is getting old, was not himself, was in lousy condition, etc....and I had to know why exactly he lost.
Another interest of mine is videography and digital video analysis, having participated in several published studies done for MIT and NASA. I set out to answer the question in the preceding paragraph scientifically, by measuring and comparing any difference in the speed of punches delivered by MAB, JMM and Pac in recent fights. For this experiment, I used a Motionscope 8000S at a playback rate of 2000 frames per second reviewing the following tapes:
JMM-Medina JMM-Licona MAB-Pac
MAB-Morales1 MAB-Morales2 Pac-Ledwaba
My conclusions:
1. No significant punch dlivery speed difference was observed between fights for each combatant. They allo threw the same average speed from fight to fight.
2. Speed rankings would be in the following order at a mean of 1.00:
Pac = +37 by far the fastest
MAB = even Morales came in at +11
JMM = -86
Based on the above, MAB was in the same shape, threw at the same speed. Speed = Power...we all know this as true in our physics classes, the faster an object travels on a course of collision the larger the impact created. JMM, though a great ring technician with exceptional delivery, is significantly disadvantaged compared to MAB in terms of speed (and more likely power), and a far cry against Pac's results.
Other observations:
1. Punch output - same ranking as above, but in all fairness this has a great thing to do with styles. JMM is primarily a counterpuncher.
2. Frequency of getting hit from least to most:
JMM - does a great job. However, Licona and Medina were -72 and -67 respectively in speed rankings and their punch outputs nowhere near MAB and Pac.
PAC - very close second. He's offense is his defense. Opponents punch output fall dramatically as in MAB and Ledwaba's case.
MAB - not so close 3rd...but if we consider the Kelly and Tapia fights....who knows?
3. Pac results during tabulation are phenomenal. I have done similar analysis before and noone i've tested comes even close. Bar none! We may have a freak of nature in our midst. The only way I see him getting beat is coming into a fight mentally and physically unprepared.
Though not a betting man, I am convinced that if pushed to make a bet on the fight, I shall pick Pac without a second thought based on the facts I have compiled. Hope I made a positive contribution to this thread. Thanks for reading.

[bisDakilang "Datu Lapu-lapu"]

BTW, here is the link where the above post came from:

http://b8.ezboard.com/fmaxboxingmessageboardsfrm7.showMessageRange?topicID=10472.topic&start=221&stop=228

Just copy and paste the link. PAZ!

[MABisBAD]

Based on the above, MAB was in the same shape, threw at the same speed. Speed = Power...we all know this as true in our physics classes, the faster an object travels on a course of collision the larger the impact created.

Well, I know of some lightning fast boxers that have very little power so this statement is not 100% accurate.

[CampeonDF]

What a bunch of BS. Barrera punches harder than Marquez. Funniest thing I've heard today.

Speed don't mean shit. Gainer is significantly faster than Marquez yet JMM made him run like a girl. 

[CampeonDF]

Well, I know of some lightning fast boxers that have very little power so this statement is not 100% accurate.

Very true. Mayweather Jr. should punch as hard as Mike Tyson according to that guy's study. LOL 

[bisDakilang "Datu Lapu-lapu"]

Very true. Mayweather Jr. should punch as hard as Mike Tyson according to that guy's study. LOL 

I agree, but I believe he was alluding to the speed of the delivery of the punch, not the speed that the fighter moves.

[JMM]

I think they were speaking about the speed of the punch not the speed of the boxer.

[locote]

Somebody from mannypacquiao.ph posted this post that he found at another forum. I'm not a scientist, but I still found it to be very interesting since the guy had facts and figures. I'm still trying to find out who this guy is and from what forum he posted it in originally. Here it is:


This is hopefully the first of many posts on my part in this or any other forum. I enjoy reading posts from the various threads but my involvement has been up to now, limited to lurking. This thread however has pushed me to actually register in order to post pertinent info about this upcoming fight that may interest some of you.
I have been a fan of boxing for many years, in fact, it is the only sport out there that I truly take the time to follow and watch. I watched the MAB-Pacman fight last year with great interest as I have been a big fan of MAB throughout his career, and was befuddled at what Pac was able to do him. My first instincts were, maybe he is getting old, was not himself, was in lousy condition, etc....and I had to know why exactly he lost.
Another interest of mine is videography and digital video analysis, having participated in several published studies done for MIT and NASA. I set out to answer the question in the preceding paragraph scientifically, by measuring and comparing any difference in the speed of punches delivered by MAB, JMM and Pac in recent fights. For this experiment, I used a Motionscope 8000S at a playback rate of 2000 frames per second reviewing the following tapes:
JMM-Medina JMM-Licona MAB-Pac
MAB-Morales1 MAB-Morales2 Pac-Ledwaba
My conclusions:
1. No significant punch dlivery speed difference was observed between fights for each combatant. They allo threw the same average speed from fight to fight.
2. Speed rankings would be in the following order at a mean of 1.00:
Pac = +37 by far the fastest
MAB = even Morales came in at +11
JMM = -86
Based on the above, MAB was in the same shape, threw at the same speed. Speed = Power...we all know this as true in our physics classes, the faster an object travels on a course of collision the larger the impact created. JMM, though a great ring technician with exceptional delivery, is significantly disadvantaged compared to MAB in terms of speed (and more likely power), and a far cry against Pac's results.
Other observations:
1. Punch output - same ranking as above, but in all fairness this has a great thing to do with styles. JMM is primarily a counterpuncher.
2. Frequency of getting hit from least to most:
JMM - does a great job. However, Licona and Medina were -72 and -67 respectively in speed rankings and their punch outputs nowhere near MAB and Pac.
PAC - very close second. He's offense is his defense. Opponents punch output fall dramatically as in MAB and Ledwaba's case.
MAB - not so close 3rd...but if we consider the Kelly and Tapia fights....who knows?
3. Pac results during tabulation are phenomenal. I have done similar analysis before and noone i've tested comes even close. Bar none! We may have a freak of nature in our midst. The only way I see him getting beat is coming into a fight mentally and physically unprepared.
Though not a betting man, I am convinced that if pushed to make a bet on the fight, I shall pick Pac without a second thought based on the facts I have compiled. Hope I made a positive contribution to this thread. Thanks for reading.

What does this all mean?  It means bistek will be even more stupified when packy is demolished May 8th.  but but but, what about the scientific findings?  but but but how could he be hit so much but but but what about the speed of punches?

[locote]

Somebody from mannypacquiao.ph posted this post that he found at another forum. I'm not a scientist, but I still found it to be very interesting since the guy had facts and figures. I'm still trying to find out who this guy is and from what forum he posted it in originally. Here it is:


This is hopefully the first of many posts on my part in this or any other forum. I enjoy reading posts from the various threads but my involvement has been up to now, limited to lurking. This thread however has pushed me to actually register in order to post pertinent info about this upcoming fight that may interest some of you.
I have been a fan of boxing for many years, in fact, it is the only sport out there that I truly take the time to follow and watch. I watched the MAB-Pacman fight last year with great interest as I have been a big fan of MAB throughout his career, and was befuddled at what Pac was able to do him. My first instincts were, maybe he is getting old, was not himself, was in lousy condition, etc....and I had to know why exactly he lost.
Another interest of mine is videography and digital video analysis, having participated in several published studies done for MIT and NASA. I set out to answer the question in the preceding paragraph scientifically, by measuring and comparing any difference in the speed of punches delivered by MAB, JMM and Pac in recent fights. For this experiment, I used a Motionscope 8000S at a playback rate of 2000 frames per second reviewing the following tapes:
JMM-Medina JMM-Licona MAB-Pac
MAB-Morales1 MAB-Morales2 Pac-Ledwaba
My conclusions:
1. No significant punch dlivery speed difference was observed between fights for each combatant. They allo threw the same average speed from fight to fight.
2. Speed rankings would be in the following order at a mean of 1.00:
Pac = +37 by far the fastest
MAB = even Morales came in at +11
JMM = -86
Based on the above, MAB was in the same shape, threw at the same speed. Speed = Power...we all know this as true in our physics classes, the faster an object travels on a course of collision the larger the impact created. JMM, though a great ring technician with exceptional delivery, is significantly disadvantaged compared to MAB in terms of speed (and more likely power), and a far cry against Pac's results.
Other observations:
1. Punch output - same ranking as above, but in all fairness this has a great thing to do with styles. JMM is primarily a counterpuncher.
2. Frequency of getting hit from least to most:
JMM - does a great job. However, Licona and Medina were -72 and -67 respectively in speed rankings and their punch outputs nowhere near MAB and Pac.
PAC - very close second. He's offense is his defense. Opponents punch output fall dramatically as in MAB and Ledwaba's case.
MAB - not so close 3rd...but if we consider the Kelly and Tapia fights....who knows?
3. Pac results during tabulation are phenomenal. I have done similar analysis before and noone i've tested comes even close. Bar none! We may have a freak of nature in our midst. The only way I see him getting beat is coming into a fight mentally and physically unprepared.
Though not a betting man, I am convinced that if pushed to make a bet on the fight, I shall pick Pac without a second thought based on the facts I have compiled. Hope I made a positive contribution to this thread. Thanks for reading.

  bistek, i did my own  scientific experiments about pacquito's chin.  I used video of  the fights where he's been tko'd and knocked down.  I had previously  ran experiments on Marquez punching power , so i added those
 findings to pacquito's experiment.  I substituted the power and velocity of the punches packy was knocked out with, with Marquez's power.  The results were astounding.  My findings showed pacquiao unable to withstand  a jab from Marquez, even when blocking it.  Therefore, i have to upgrade my previous prediction  of Marquez within 6 to Marquez  by ko whenever they're close enough to fight.

[locote]

I did another experiment to try and find exactly what material best resembles pacquito's jaw.  I found conclusive evidence that such material is not glass,as previously thought,but more  consistent with the treated paper used in cheap factory car speakers.  In summarizing:pacquito will be blasted out by the impact of Marquez's punches.  It is too much to ask of this chin  to  withstand such power, just like expecting these cheap car speakers to tolerate a high powered amp at full blast.

[Chups]

I did another experiment to try and find exactly what material best resembles pacquito's jaw.  I found conclusive evidence that such material is not glass,as previously thought,but more  consistent with the treated paper used in cheap factory car speakers.  In summarizing:pacquito will be blasted out by the impact of Marquez's punches.  It is too much to ask of this chin  to  withstand such power, just like expecting these cheap car speakers to tolerate a high powered amp at full blast.

Bwahahahahaha!!! Your scientific experiment sucks ass bigtime bwahahahaha!!!
That is the lamest ever!!! Using imagination rather than equipments and mediums.LOL. You are a joke!!

[bisDakilang "Datu Lapu-lapu"]

  bistek, i did my own  scientific experiments about pacquito's chin.  I used video of  the fights where he's been tko'd and knocked down.  I had previously  ran experiments on Marquez punching power , so i added those findings to pacquito's experiment.  I substituted the power and velocity of the punches packy was knocked out with, with Marquez's power.  The results were astounding.  My findings showed pacquiao unable to withstand  a jab from Marquez, even when blocking it.  Therefore, i have to upgrade my previous prediction  of Marquez within 6 to Marquez  by ko whenever they're close enough to fight.

What ever tickles your fancy loco titi! All I can say is that you're shooting the messenger and not the message because you don't have an intelligent argument about it. Like I said, I'm not a scientist. I just posted that info here from another website. Why won't you go to that website and challenge that guys finding? He's a big fan of MAB like you so both of you have something in common loco titi! 

[Caloy]

What ever tickles your fancy loco titi! All I can say is that you're shooting the messenger and not the message because you don't have an intelligent argument about it. Like I said, I'm not a scientist. I just posted that info here from another website. Why won't you go to that website and challenge that guys finding? He's a big fan of MAB like you so both of you have something in common loco titi! 

Nyak! Nyak! Nice one Bisdak! Loco titi ahihihi

[Reyes_USN]

Therefore, i have to upgrade my previous prediction  of Marquez within 6 to Marquez  by ko whenever they're close enough to fight.

WTF when theyre close enough to fight? I know you aint sayin MAnny's gonna run from  JMM, and I doubt JMM will run.  So toss that whenever theyre close crap outta the window cuz non of these sons of bitches are runnin from each other.  Locote, I hope youre man enough to eat your words after May 8.  I sure as hell am in case Manny loses. 

[CampeonDF]

  bistek, i did my own  scientific experiments about pacquito's chin.  I used video of  the fights where he's been tko'd and knocked down.  I had previously  ran experiments on Marquez punching power , so i added those findings to pacquito's experiment.  I substituted the power and velocity of the punches packy was knocked out with, with Marquez's power.  The results were astounding.  My findings showed pacquiao unable to withstand  a jab from Marquez, even when blocking it.  Therefore, i have to upgrade my previous prediction  of Marquez within 6 to Marquez  by ko whenever they're close enough to fight.